Today’s show notes are mostly a guide for the conversation that we had and much of which we didn’t fully dive into. They don’t fully represent the views of either Mike or Dan. Please join the conversation in the comments or on Twitter (@danielmrose and @revmikeumc).


To discuss the doctrine of predestination in salvation, to highlight where we agree and disagree, and then apply it to real life.


Predestination as it relates to salvation is one of the biggest defining lines in the history of the Church. First there was Pelagius and then there was Arminius who taught against the concept. Augustine and the Reformers taught for it.

Characteristics of Predestination

  1. Election
    1. Election of Israel as the people of God in the OT
    2. Election of certain persons for some special action (Deut 18:5; 1 Sam 10:24)
    3. Election of individuals unto salvation (Matt 22:14; Rom 11:6; Eph 1:4)
  2. Reprobation
    1. God intended to save some and not others. (Matt 11:25, 26; Rom 9:13ff, 11:7-8; 2 Peter 2:9; Jude 4)
    2. Purpose
      1. Pass some by through his saving grace
      2. Punish others for their sin


  1. God is unjust
    1. Only if man were morally pure
    2. Man forfeited their claims on God
    3. God would have been perfectly just to not save any


  1. Predestination offers assurance to the believer
  2. Predestination frees us to love our neighbor and our enemy

Other Questions

  1. Is foreknowledge the same thing as foreordination/predestination?
  2. How is it understood that Christ himself was predestined?
  3. What do you think about TULIP:
    1. Total depravity (radical corruption)
    2. Unconditional election (effectual election)
    3. Limited atonement (effectual atonement)
    4. Irresistible grace (effectual grace)
    5. Perseverance of the saints

#11 – Predestination
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